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	<title>Comments on: How I learned to stop worrying and love Adobe</title>
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		<title>By: Rajdeep Rath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajdeep Rath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a pity that flash is earning bad fame these days. I have always loved doing flash and even though i can code in many other languages i prefer actionscript.

But i do think in keeping up with competition Adobe has missed the point of stability and security in flash versions.

There is a major big in flash now days. can some confirm it ?

1. wordpress uploader does not show proper progress.
2. Megauploads.com uploader dosent show proper progress.
3. many more sites that used flash as uploader dont show progress properly anymore. all report that progress bar completes to 100% and then the file keeps uploading.

It seems the more we are going into the forward direction with action-script , things are getting messier ?

Bugs that were were present earlier in flash 8 have crept up !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a pity that flash is earning bad fame these days. I have always loved doing flash and even though i can code in many other languages i prefer actionscript.</p>
<p>But i do think in keeping up with competition Adobe has missed the point of stability and security in flash versions.</p>
<p>There is a major big in flash now days. can some confirm it ?</p>
<p>1. wordpress uploader does not show proper progress.<br />
2. Megauploads.com uploader dosent show proper progress.<br />
3. many more sites that used flash as uploader dont show progress properly anymore. all report that progress bar completes to 100% and then the file keeps uploading.</p>
<p>It seems the more we are going into the forward direction with action-script , things are getting messier ?</p>
<p>Bugs that were were present earlier in flash 8 have crept up !</p>
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		<title>By: tomsamsom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomsamsom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I catch myself posting my views on the evolution of Flash related technology in more and more harsh sounding tones over the past 2-4 years, too.

While i don´t find that nice myself, when one is very passionate about something and sees over and over how wrong decisions are made turning the thing worse and worse its hard to stay relaxed sometimes, especially when the new release is again and again hyped up like the next coming and oportunists support that in unresponsible (towards the community) ways.

I think one of the main problems of the flash platform for many years has been  making propper use of the gpu for all graphical operations.
Years are passing and Adobe is insisting on not delivering what is required.
And without flash performs incredibly bad compared to most other technologies out there.
Without that flash will just perform extremely bad to a not competitve at all degree on all platforms, the less powerful a platform is the more obvious it will become. 

I think as more experienced developers having a reputation in the community it is actually our task to say what is wrong until either Adobe fixes it or we get bored enough to use better and better getting contender technologies instead of being oportunists who hype something up that just isn´t good at all.

Yes, flash to iPhone is no release version yet, but if Adobe doesn´t considerably improve the performance, it is wrong to say its any good, because it won´t be compared to anything else that is out there for several years.
And it won´t perform well enough for most serious use cases without them making use of the gpu for all graphical operations.
cacheAsSurface for some final display help of an image created by the cpu is a luaghable bad decision and won´t be enough at all.
End of story.
If someone at Adobe is upset about a known community member for saying the truth, honestly, that person has a wrong understanding of his job.
While i understand you don´t want your words to come off as too harsh, it seems like Adobe doesn´t listen to many community members for many years now, so there´s reasoning for why people either don´t care anymore or if they do then they get upset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I catch myself posting my views on the evolution of Flash related technology in more and more harsh sounding tones over the past 2-4 years, too.</p>
<p>While i don´t find that nice myself, when one is very passionate about something and sees over and over how wrong decisions are made turning the thing worse and worse its hard to stay relaxed sometimes, especially when the new release is again and again hyped up like the next coming and oportunists support that in unresponsible (towards the community) ways.</p>
<p>I think one of the main problems of the flash platform for many years has been  making propper use of the gpu for all graphical operations.<br />
Years are passing and Adobe is insisting on not delivering what is required.<br />
And without flash performs incredibly bad compared to most other technologies out there.<br />
Without that flash will just perform extremely bad to a not competitve at all degree on all platforms, the less powerful a platform is the more obvious it will become. </p>
<p>I think as more experienced developers having a reputation in the community it is actually our task to say what is wrong until either Adobe fixes it or we get bored enough to use better and better getting contender technologies instead of being oportunists who hype something up that just isn´t good at all.</p>
<p>Yes, flash to iPhone is no release version yet, but if Adobe doesn´t considerably improve the performance, it is wrong to say its any good, because it won´t be compared to anything else that is out there for several years.<br />
And it won´t perform well enough for most serious use cases without them making use of the gpu for all graphical operations.<br />
cacheAsSurface for some final display help of an image created by the cpu is a luaghable bad decision and won´t be enough at all.<br />
End of story.<br />
If someone at Adobe is upset about a known community member for saying the truth, honestly, that person has a wrong understanding of his job.<br />
While i understand you don´t want your words to come off as too harsh, it seems like Adobe doesn´t listen to many community members for many years now, so there´s reasoning for why people either don´t care anymore or if they do then they get upset.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wu</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting opinions!!</description>
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		<title>By: Seb Lee-Delisle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seb Lee-Delisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what Dave, I think have a point. It&#039;s all too easy to be drawn into these conversations, and honestly, I find that they do take a lot of energy and often distract me from the work I&#039;m meant to be doing. 

I am on a tour of the USA and I will still try to report what I&#039;ve been doing here, not just MAX but also visiting YouTube and Odopod in San Francisco, now FlashPitt (just posted) and next week in New York I&#039;ll be spending some time with Big Spaceship. I hope that these non-demo type posts aren&#039;t too irrelevant but I would love feedback to hear whether these travels are interesting to you or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what Dave, I think have a point. It&#8217;s all too easy to be drawn into these conversations, and honestly, I find that they do take a lot of energy and often distract me from the work I&#8217;m meant to be doing. </p>
<p>I am on a tour of the USA and I will still try to report what I&#8217;ve been doing here, not just MAX but also visiting YouTube and Odopod in San Francisco, now FlashPitt (just posted) and next week in New York I&#8217;ll be spending some time with Big Spaceship. I hope that these non-demo type posts aren&#8217;t too irrelevant but I would love feedback to hear whether these travels are interesting to you or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe these types of personal matters should just not appear on your blog at all!  It&#039;s been ages since we saw interesting experiments etc which really is your strong point Seb.  Can&#039;t we just get back to what you&#039;re really quite brilliant at and leave all these long, accident prone messages out of it?  I think many developers could benefit with this approach although I understand that these types of matters do sometimes need airing.  It&#039;s finding the appropriate time and place though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe these types of personal matters should just not appear on your blog at all!  It&#8217;s been ages since we saw interesting experiments etc which really is your strong point Seb.  Can&#8217;t we just get back to what you&#8217;re really quite brilliant at and leave all these long, accident prone messages out of it?  I think many developers could benefit with this approach although I understand that these types of matters do sometimes need airing.  It&#8217;s finding the appropriate time and place though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NateJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NateJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Seb. Totally agree on all counts. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Seb. Totally agree on all counts. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Seb Lee-Delisle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seb Lee-Delisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matthew Richmond I should just clarify that the title of this blog post is a take on the Peter Sellers film &quot;Dr Strangelove, or I how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb&quot;. But don&#039;t worry, I will continue to worry (loudly but respectfully) when worrying is required. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matthew Richmond I should just clarify that the title of this blog post is a take on the Peter Sellers film &#8220;Dr Strangelove, or I how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb&#8221;. But don&#8217;t worry, I will continue to worry (loudly but respectfully) when worrying is required. <img src='http://sebleedelisle.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Kerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Kerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because everyone is getting all mushy, I should add that I don&#039;t want to personally attack anyone.  Perhaps that&#039;s why I pick on the big-bad-company.  I know that Lee and Mike will take the time to give me a sincere kick in the pants when I am out of line.  In fact, I recall Mike contacting me privately about something a LONG time ago (I don&#039;t even remember what now).  And others have too--and, while I may not always agree, I always appreciate that effort.  I think usually Adobe employees (notice I didn&#039;t say &quot;Adobe&quot;--maybe if I avoid that term without qualifiers it will help)... anyway, Adobe employees likewise appreciate feedback.  

When I was just getting started doing my &quot;anti-Adobe&quot; videos (which, if you haven&#039;t noticed I don&#039;t pick on Adobe anymore unless they&#039;re commissioning me to do so)... anyway, Ted sent an email with the subject &quot;we have to talk&quot;.  It shouldn&#039;t be surprising the body of the email said he wanted to buy me a beer or something--that he liked me videos.  In fact, I think the first thing Lee ever said to me when I met him was something positive like this.  I only point this out for anyone who thinks I&#039;m &quot;against&quot; Adobe.  

So--just be sure to call me out if I&#039;m ever out of line.  A keep up the fight from the inside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because everyone is getting all mushy, I should add that I don&#8217;t want to personally attack anyone.  Perhaps that&#8217;s why I pick on the big-bad-company.  I know that Lee and Mike will take the time to give me a sincere kick in the pants when I am out of line.  In fact, I recall Mike contacting me privately about something a LONG time ago (I don&#8217;t even remember what now).  And others have too&#8211;and, while I may not always agree, I always appreciate that effort.  I think usually Adobe employees (notice I didn&#8217;t say &#8220;Adobe&#8221;&#8211;maybe if I avoid that term without qualifiers it will help)&#8230; anyway, Adobe employees likewise appreciate feedback.  </p>
<p>When I was just getting started doing my &#8220;anti-Adobe&#8221; videos (which, if you haven&#8217;t noticed I don&#8217;t pick on Adobe anymore unless they&#8217;re commissioning me to do so)&#8230; anyway, Ted sent an email with the subject &#8220;we have to talk&#8221;.  It shouldn&#8217;t be surprising the body of the email said he wanted to buy me a beer or something&#8211;that he liked me videos.  In fact, I think the first thing Lee ever said to me when I met him was something positive like this.  I only point this out for anyone who thinks I&#8217;m &#8220;against&#8221; Adobe.  </p>
<p>So&#8211;just be sure to call me out if I&#8217;m ever out of line.  A keep up the fight from the inside.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Richmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Richmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lee Adobe is potentially one of the most receptive companies ever, and (as far as we are concerned) they always have been. I don&#039;t think that I or anybody else implied otherwise. 

You don&#039;t want a guy like Seb pulling any punches tho, and he should not stop getting fired up and speaking his mind. Nobody should stop worrying and simply love Adobe, what you make is too important. Yes, on many occasions I have witnessed Adobe receiving negative spiteful self-serving feedback, it sucks. I have also unfortunately seen good people give up on interacting with Adobe because up front critical feedback was not well received and it just became too damned confrontational to care.

IMHO the MAX keynote was not Adobe&#039;s finest hour. Parts of the presentation were flat out uncomfortable and awkward. Things/products could have been presented more articulately. Sebs initial (unedited) post seemed more related to this, than any subconscious desire to embrace the hate.

I don&#039;t see negative for the sake of it, I guess thats why i chimed in. I was surprised to see that reaction. I see an opportunity for Adobe to make something that addresses the issues being critically discussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lee Adobe is potentially one of the most receptive companies ever, and (as far as we are concerned) they always have been. I don&#8217;t think that I or anybody else implied otherwise. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t want a guy like Seb pulling any punches tho, and he should not stop getting fired up and speaking his mind. Nobody should stop worrying and simply love Adobe, what you make is too important. Yes, on many occasions I have witnessed Adobe receiving negative spiteful self-serving feedback, it sucks. I have also unfortunately seen good people give up on interacting with Adobe because up front critical feedback was not well received and it just became too damned confrontational to care.</p>
<p>IMHO the MAX keynote was not Adobe&#8217;s finest hour. Parts of the presentation were flat out uncomfortable and awkward. Things/products could have been presented more articulately. Sebs initial (unedited) post seemed more related to this, than any subconscious desire to embrace the hate.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see negative for the sake of it, I guess thats why i chimed in. I was surprised to see that reaction. I see an opportunity for Adobe to make something that addresses the issues being critically discussed.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Brimleow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Brimleow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matthew well if I have learned anything from doing this job it is that not all critical feedback is constructive. Some of it is negative just for the sake of it. And I completely reject the notion that we are not receptive to constructive feedback. Not true at all sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matthew well if I have learned anything from doing this job it is that not all critical feedback is constructive. Some of it is negative just for the sake of it. And I completely reject the notion that we are not receptive to constructive feedback. Not true at all sorry.</p>
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